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1 hour ago, Dragin said:

- support

Questions since when does d class having guns ever been lore friendly their literally in a basic SUPER SUPER SUUUUPER max penitentiary they probably have to do checks 8x everyday like strip spread your nuts and ass on a daily basis  

and that's just a maximum penitentiary 

and the foundation i would assume doesn't want a d class having a automatic pistol in hand.

Im confused. Your saying that they shouldn’t have guns but your -supporting the thing saying to take it away so your saying they keep it????

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Once again, please respond with your + or - support and leave it at that. Just having some major deja vu for this and wanted to state this before it gets to that point.

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13 hours ago, Gunther said:

Jakub, here's what pisses me off, is that you are not Gensec, you don't deal with D-Class like we do. They have no NLR, they have numbers on their side, and they do not care about dying because they can come back right away. We have NLR's and we have a set health before we die, and we can't heal ourselves infinitely so eventually they kill us.

The fact that ANY D-Class can have these new weapons is beyond belief. They can easily overwhelm Gensec when they group up. This last week has been a nightmare, they constantly riot because they can hit us from long-to-mid and short range, unlike before where it was all melee and the occasional Pro-D Class with a pistol.

Still -support learn to adapt and use everything under your disposal, im not gonna give you advice on how to do your job but there a simple things that you guys could do to gain a significant advantage

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On 3/2/2020 at 2:51 AM, Jakub said:

-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

 

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+Support

D-Class riots have been non-stop since the guns were released. I understand that removal would be unfair, but I do think a nerf of some sort needs to happen. You can say the guns aren't good all you want, but the fact is: if d-class outnumber gensec (as they usually do) and all or many of them all have automatic pistols, we're not going to reclaim d-block. Especially since we have NLR and they do not.

Also, not to speak for the research branch, but they are also affected by this as well, I'm sure. If D-block is constantly in a riot state, there's no way researchers are going to be able to get their test subjects. 

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-Support
Make a new strategy in order to adapt to the new capability of D-Class
You could assign people elevator duty in order to kill those people who come up with guns
Just ideas but my opinion is that you can adapt to this.

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On 3/2/2020 at 5:45 AM, Hoovy said:

+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

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Hello Gunther,

In my opinion, a full removal will never happen even though these guns are basically a repeat of the desert eagles. A nerf however would be reasonable. I spent several hours as D-class one day and it only takes 3-4 people with the 8-shooter and a few melee d-class to pick off and eventually overrun people. A nerf to damage would be nice but a complete removal would void the point of adding it in the first place. MTF/GENSEC aren't going to donate for it, it was specifically intended for D-class.

Also I need to mention something regarding the comments about GENSEC adapting/overcoming, and its that they literally have been doing this already but people don't pay attention. No single branch in this server starts making suggestions right away to nerf stuff, they took time tried new procedures (Such as the suggested elevator duty, this was already being done and was proven ineffective except during peak times which should never be the standard. It exposes GENSEC to those same D class with guns who have heavy melee weapons and halfs the amount of GENSEC on the fence side, which reduces their ability as well). They have snipers they try to utilize and get people on, shotguners/heavys on barricades closest to entrances and still get torn to bits. They prefer to not have to utilize a hands-up/partial lockdown and I myself back as a DHOS NEVER wanted to use full as I always believed we could usually get it under control with just a hands-up/partial. If it comes to the point that GENSEC has to be in the hallway to stop D class, this means an utter shutdown of research aside from small side projects which affects RP. Please do not state that GENSEC are not trying to overcome/adapt, they literally have been doing this already and have been since D-class originally got access to weapons back in the past.

For the reasons above, I will give this a +support for nerfing but a -support for complete removal. They obviously are pretty annoying when D class are organized like this and its fairly easy to headshot with the weapons and have seen even MTF get murdered at some point by them. However, they are not detrimental to the point of needing a complete removal. Its a nice addition and a different thing for D-class.

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On 3/1/2020 at 11:38 PM, [GL] Inaccurate said:

+Support from removing them from D-Class. If D-Class can't have the falcon 2 there is no reason why they should have these weapons, which are arguably stronger.

 

And the ACM, a 200 100 class, doesn't stand a chance against these weapons, even with an F2000

 

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-support the semi auto cant even kill a ofc with low health cause you know smgs are kinda better than a auto pistol plus you know they mostly have high ranks on with shotguns and p90's so

 

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On 3/3/2020 at 3:55 PM, Sinnik said:

+Support

D-Class riots have been non-stop since the guns were released. I understand that removal would be unfair, but I do think a nerf of some sort needs to happen. You can say the guns aren't good all you want, but the fact is: if d-class outnumber gensec (as they usually do) and all or many of them all have automatic pistols, we're not going to reclaim d-block. Especially since we have NLR and they do not.

Also, not to speak for the research branch, but they are also affected by this as well, I'm sure. If D-block is constantly in a riot state, there's no way researchers are going to be able to get their test subjects. 

+ Support for a nerf, but a removal would be over exaggeration

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On 3/2/2020 at 9:58 PM, Gunther said:

Jakub, here's what pisses me off, is that you are not Gensec, you don't deal with D-Class like we do. They have no NLR, they have numbers on their side, and they do not care about dying because they can come back right away. We have NLR's and we have a set health before we die, and we can't heal ourselves infinitely so eventually they kill us.

The fact that ANY D-Class can have these new weapons is beyond belief. They can easily overwhelm Gensec when they group up. This last week has been a nightmare, they constantly riot because they can hit us from long-to-mid and short range, unlike before where it was all melee and the occasional Pro-D Class with a pistol.

Maybe we should have medical be required to station someone in DBlock no matter the code since the big issue is that they whittle our HP away slowly then plan a charge, we need security medics to make up the inactivity of the medical branch.

 

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-support just seems like another case of gensec not wanting to change from the same cycle of "d class run past line, shoot"

 

from what i understand the handguns spice up combat in d block and actually require you to use a little brainpower and strategizing to take them out instead of standing still and shooting like a fucking sentry

like come on if you lose to a pistol while you have automatic SMGs and rifles, you are at fault. move around when they show up, take cover, those with smgs rush the d class with a pistol, do SOMETHING strategic.

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Just now, Breen said:

-support just seems like another case of gensec not wanting to change from the same cycle of "d class run past line, shoot"

 

from what i understand the handguns spice up combat in d block and actually require you to use a little brainpower and strategizing to take them out instead of standing still and shooting like a fucking sentry

like come on if you lose to a pistol while you have automatic SMGs and rifles, you are at fault. move around when they show up, take cover, those with smgs rush the d class with a pistol, do SOMETHING strategic.

 

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On 3/2/2020 at 3:51 AM, Jakub said:

-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

 

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2 hours ago, Breen said:

-support just seems like another case of gensec not wanting to change from the same cycle of "d class run past line, shoot"

 

from what i understand the handguns spice up combat in d block and actually require you to use a little brainpower and strategizing to take them out instead of standing still and shooting like a fucking sentry

like come on if you lose to a pistol while you have automatic SMGs and rifles, you are at fault. move around when they show up, take cover, those with smgs rush the d class with a pistol, do SOMETHING strategic.

 

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On 3/3/2020 at 3:55 PM, Sinnik said:

+Support

D-Class riots have been non-stop since the guns were released. I understand that removal would be unfair, but I do think a nerf of some sort needs to happen. You can say the guns aren't good all you want, but the fact is: if d-class outnumber gensec (as they usually do) and all or many of them all have automatic pistols, we're not going to reclaim d-block. Especially since we have NLR and they do not.

Also, not to speak for the research branch, but they are also affected by this as well, I'm sure. If D-block is constantly in a riot state, there's no way researchers are going to be able to get their test subjects. 

I say add a 3 minute NLR if they spawn with a handgun and use it. Since its ½ of a CC maybe 2 minutes. As Gensec I can say its annoying having molotov's and gunfire in D-Block.

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3 hours ago, Bet said:

Maybe we should have medical be required to station someone in DBlock no matter the code since the big issue is that they whittle our HP away slowly then plan a charge, we need security medics to make up the inactivity of the medical branch.

 

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Adding as security medic will only make medical more inactive. Medical command is trying hard to improve our activity, but shooty shooty is more appealing then actual RP. If there is a field medic on they will also be more than likely in D-Block

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4 hours ago, Propane said:

I say add a 3 minute NLR if they spawn with a handgun and use it. Since its ½ of a CC maybe 2 minutes. As Gensec I can say its annoying having molotov's and gunfire in D-Block.

d class cc have a 90 second nlr

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11 hours ago, Breen said:

-support just seems like another case of gensec not wanting to change from the same cycle of "d class run past line, shoot"

 

from what i understand the handguns spice up combat in d block and actually require you to use a little brainpower and strategizing to take them out instead of standing still and shooting like a fucking sentry

like come on if you lose to a pistol while you have automatic SMGs and rifles, you are at fault. move around when they show up, take cover, those with smgs rush the d class with a pistol, do SOMETHING strategic.

It gets really congested in D-Block cause of the barricades, when D-Class rush in large groups, they manage to overwhelm us. It doesn't matter if they have only pistols, they have no NLR, which means they can come up in large groups and continue rushing. And I hate it when people act like we're not doing our best. We are. As Matricies said and quote below. We don't stand still, no one stands still when they rush us. We always step back. I want this whole pistol thing to be changed because when D-Class rush in large groups with melee weapons and guns, it becomes a shit show. 

On 3/4/2020 at 1:44 AM, Matricies said:

literally have been doing this already but people don't pay attention. No single branch in this server starts making suggestions right away to nerf stuff, they took time tried new procedures (Such as the suggested elevator duty, this was already being done and was proven ineffective except during peak times which should never be the standard. It exposes GENSEC to those same D class with guns who have heavy melee weapons and halfs the amount of GENSEC on the fence side, which reduces their ability as well). They have snipers they try to utilize and get people on, shotguners/heavys on barricades closest to entrances and still get torn to bits. They prefer to not have to utilize a hands-up/partial lockdown and I myself back as a DHOS NEVER wanted to use full as I always believed we could usually get it under control with just a hands-up/partial. If it comes to the point that GENSEC has to be in the hallway to stop D class, this means an utter shutdown of research aside from small side projects which affects RP. Please do not state that GENSEC are not trying to overcome/adapt, they literally have been doing this already and have been since D-class originally got access to weapons back in the past.

 

Literally we lose D-Block every day, 40 D-Class + D-Class CC's w/ Molotovs and SMGs + D-Class with Machine Pistols + NO NLR = No point in trying to stop them.

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On 3/9/2020 at 8:17 PM, Gunther said:

Literally we lose D-Block every day

this should be how it works, it keeps gensec a job to do and adds some action to just standing around. If you never lost d block no one would play d class. Thats the whole reason people play d class. Gensec should not have some iron hand on d block on the server to maintain the balance of the player base.

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41 minutes ago, Breen said:

this should be how it works, it keeps gensec a job to do and adds some action to just standing around. If you never lost d block no one would play d class. Thats the whole reason people play d class. Gensec should not have some iron hand on d block on the server to maintain the balance of the player base.

On the contrary, we can't do our jobs properly if D-Class overrun us and take D-Block and LCZ within a matter of a couple of runs. This also means we can't escort Researchers and Researchers can't get anyone to test on. I'm not saying D-Class can't riot, I like it when they riot. I'm saying that them rioting 1-2 times and overtaking D-Block because of their weapons makes it difficult to contain. Imagine they riot with a group, some of them shoot with their guns, others surround someone with hatchets and knives and manage to kill them, or at the very least someone takes 60 HP off 2-3 people. That means the next time they riot, which will be 20 seconds later, they will be at full HP and we will not. That's literally what makes D-Class with these new guns so dangerous, is the fact any D-Class can own these, not specific ranks, and in a Worst Case Scenario, its an army of armed D-Class that constantly riot every 20-30 seconds with a mix of guns and melee weapons. People who look at these suggestions think its one D-Class. Its never one D-Class we refer to, its the whole group itself. 

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  • Gunther changed the title to Nerf of Donator Handguns

+Support

Given the level of seemingly justifiable frustration caused by the sheer quantity of D class that have guns now, it might be a good idea to at least restrict the basic, no-level-requirement "d class" job from having access to donator guns, since there can be any number of players on this job at one time.

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14 minutes ago, CanOBeanz said:

+Support

Given the level of seemingly justifiable frustration caused by the sheer quantity of D class that have guns now, it might be a good idea to at least restrict the basic, no-level-requirement "d class" job from having access to donator guns, since there can be any number of players on this job at one time.

 

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