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What do you want to see? - I would like to see the Donator Handguns be restricted to specific D-Class ranks. "What I'm thinking. Is that we limit the number of jobs that can use it. Like supplier and donation classes. So that their cant be 20 normal d-class constantly rioting with guns. Something like that." -Chief, Senior Admin

Why should we add it? - There is a reason D-Class is a mostly melee-based team, they have no NLR's. We do, so them having weapons that require them to go close-combat is to balance them. However, due to the fact that now most D-Class now have access to Machine pistols and pistols in General, and the fact they do more damage than Diamond rank Colt 1911, Gensec CANNOT hold D-Block now. That is not an exaggeration, even with MTF Support, even with my OPSF that has the Negev, we lost the LCZ and D-Block. We regained it a short while but then lost it again, because D-Class have numbers, have no NLRs, and can hit us without requiring close-combat, making them OP. That is the one thing everyone seems to forget, is that we have one life with a 3 minute NLR. They may not be able to kill us the first or second time, but they have infinite lives with no NLR, making it all the more difficult to keep them contained.

What are the advantages of having this? - D-Class aren't OP and Gensec don't quit the branch. This is the Reznov-Fubar level of rioting and controlling of D-Block.

Who is it mainly for? - Gensec and D-Class

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+Support from removing them from D-Class. If D-Class can't have the falcon 2 there is no reason why they should have these weapons, which are arguably stronger.

 

And the ACM, a 200 100 class, doesn't stand a chance against these weapons, even with an F2000

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+Support I may be on LOA,but D-Class shouldn't have auto pistols unless it is a CC. At this point Holding D-Class will become next to impossible as D-Classes strength in numbers were bad enough,now they all can buy automatic pistols and destroy GenSec and MTF. If the Falcon 2 Pistol can't be used by D-class,the Titanfal weapons shouldn't be exempt from that same treatment.

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2 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

+Support from removing them from D-Class. If D-Class can't have the falcon 2 there is no reason why they should have these weapons, which are arguably stronger.

 

And the ACM, a 200 100 class, doesn't stand a chance against these weapons, even with an F2000

 

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2 hours ago, A Fallout Marine said:

If the Falcon 2 Pistol can't be used by D-class,the Titanfal weapons shouldn't be exempt from that same treatment.

According to Th3 when I asked him, he said its because it has a scope. 

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-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

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2 hours ago, Jakub said:

-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

 

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These new weapons arent hard to deal with at all. The pistols are really only decent when you have pro d-class and even then you get shredded and have a 1 in 10 chance of killing an OFC.Also if youre dying to D-Class with less than a total of 200 hit points with a pistol, when you have heavy or medium weaponry ,you wanna consider training in combat.

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+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

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1 hour ago, pixelated pancakes said:

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These new weapons arent hard to deal with at all. The pistols are really only decent when you have pro d-class and even then you get shredded and have a 1 in 10 chance of killing an OFC.Also if youre dying to D-Class with less than a total of 200 hit points with a pistol, when you have heavy or medium weaponry ,you wanna consider training in combat.

 

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5 hours ago, Jakub said:

-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

 

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10 hours ago, [GL] Inaccurate said:

+Support from removing them from D-Class. If D-Class can't have the falcon 2 there is no reason why they should have these weapons, which are arguably stronger.

 

And the ACM, a 200 100 class, doesn't stand a chance against these weapons, even with an F2000

The falcon isn’t allowed and consistently with rules on guns must be kept

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Knew that this would pop up eventually.

6 hours ago, Gunther said:

According to Th3 when I asked him, he said its because it has a scope. 

Also I have no recollection of this, which most likely means this took place in 2019. Like mid 2019.

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4 hours ago, Hoovy said:

+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

 

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4 hours ago, Hoovy said:

+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

 

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-support 

It would make nobody want to buy the weapon, and make it a waste for those who did. The only class this gun can benefit is d class (though i guess it could be argued for research and medical, but that’s way more situational). 

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5 hours ago, Hoovy said:

+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

What I'm thinking. Is that we limit the number of jobs that can use it. Like supplier and donation classes. So that their cant be 20 normal d-class constantly rioting with guns. Something like that.

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8 hours ago, Hoovy said:

+/- Support (in a way)

While I do agree they need a slight nerf, requesting an all out removal of them from dclass is ridiculous. In my opinion you guys are overdue to learn how to adapt, set up defenses, and overcome a new obstacle. Can't leave the meta the same forever or it gets boring for both sides.

 

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18 hours ago, Jakub said:

-support this is yet another post requesting d class be nerfed to shit. The guns take 9hp per shot... If you can't beat it with an automatic gun then you should seriously reconsider your career in the foundation. 

Jakub, here's what pisses me off, is that you are not Gensec, you don't deal with D-Class like we do. They have no NLR, they have numbers on their side, and they do not care about dying because they can come back right away. We have NLR's and we have a set health before we die, and we can't heal ourselves infinitely so eventually they kill us.

The fact that ANY D-Class can have these new weapons is beyond belief. They can easily overwhelm Gensec when they group up. This last week has been a nightmare, they constantly riot because they can hit us from long-to-mid and short range, unlike before where it was all melee and the occasional Pro-D Class with a pistol.

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23 hours ago, A Fallout Marine said:

+Support I may be on LOA,but D-Class shouldn't have auto pistols unless it is a CC. At this point Holding D-Class will become next to impossible as D-Classes strength in numbers were bad enough,now they all can buy automatic pistols and destroy GenSec and MTF. If the Falcon 2 Pistol can't be used by D-class,the Titanfal weapons shouldn't be exempt from that same treatment.

I would like to add that I'm more or less focusing on the RE-45 auto pistol.The other two are probably alright,but an auto pistol just seems unnecessary unless it's a D class CC.

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Questions since when does d class having guns ever been lore friendly their literally in a basic SUPER SUPER SUUUUPER max penitentiary they probably have to do checks 8x everyday like strip spread your nuts and ass on a daily basis  

and that's just a maximum penitentiary 

and the foundation i would assume doesn't want a d class having a automatic pistol in hand.

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+/- Support I like the guns but ever since they where added the class d riots have been crazy.

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