Vikhr and Dual Berettas Nerf - Accepted

[Jakub]

Please make sure suggestions are pertinent and relevant! 

What you want to see? - I would like to see the "Vikhr" tfa_vikhr and "Dual Berretas" tfa_csgo_elite Nerfed.

Why should we add it? - Because these guns are unbalanced and don't fit the server play style based on their damage and firerates.

Vikhr assault rifle:
takes away 25 hp point blank if you have no armor whilst have a firerate of 625 RPM
Kills you with 10 bullets spare in its mag if you have 200 200 stats from the distance of a 2x1 rectangle.
Dual Berettas:
 

What are the advantages of having this? - These weapons will be more balanced and offer fair pvp on the server.

Who is it mainly for? - Everyone

Links to any content -
Vikhr Spray 200 | 200 stats
Vikhr 25 hp Per Shot Point Blank
Vikhr 25 hp Per Shot Distance

Berretas Spray 200 | 200 stats
20 DMG Per Shot Berettas Point Blank
19 DMG Per Shot Berettas Distance

Edited November 15, 2019 by Jakub

[Stuart]

+Support
I was involved with the testing of these weapons, and quite frankly, they are absurdly overpowered. The Vikhr was able to take out a full hp and armor E11 Redacted in one clip. Aswell as doing 747 total damage with no armor in one clip.

[Berserkrpups]

+/-Support

Personally I see nothing wrong with the Vikhr it has a balance spray pattern and decent damage and another thing you don't have on this test in armor you are just doing it with the raw health with no added armor it doesn't really have that fast of a fire rate as you 625RPM is nothing compared to other weapons. That 200 l 200 test you fired around 18 to 20 rounds and it was a controlled test with no added variables with movement and an actual combat scenario. In reality, it would probably take at least a mag and a half to take down someone assuming you don't have a decent aim. That and it is only used by one class I don't see a problem with it as I said above.

 

Edited November 15, 2019 by Berserkrpups

[Orange 🍊]

-Support
I have had zero problem with either gun. There are plenty of weapons with equal stats in comparison with the Vikhr, such as the AK, AN-94, HK, L85, M4A1, and Tar-21. Guns that are similar to the Dual Barrettas  are the tech-9, five seven, deagle, and model 500. Just singling out these 2 guns with "high" stats does not mean they are overpowered, because quite frankly these weapon pretty average compared to others. 

[_Alpha_]

Just now, Official Orange said:

-Support
I have had zero problem with either gun. There are plenty of weapons with equal stats in comparison with the Vikhr, such as the AK, AN-94, HK, L85, M4A1, and Tar-21. Guns that are similar to the Dual Barrettas  are the tech-9, five seven, deagle, and model 500. Just singling out these 2 guns with "high" stats does not mean they are overpowered, because quite frankly these weapon pretty average compared to others. 

 

[Catsro]

2 minutes ago, Official Orange said:

-Support
I have had zero problem with either gun. There are plenty of weapons with equal stats in comparison with the Vikhr, such as the AK, AN-94, HK, L85, M4A1, and Tar-21. Guns that are similar to the Dual Barrettas  are the tech-9, five seven, deagle, and model 500. Just singling out these 2 guns with "high" stats does not mean they are overpowered, because quite frankly these weapon pretty average compared to others. 

 

[Jakub]

HK416:

-15 hp point blank and similair from a distance

30 bullet spray from a distance

so in conclusion the hk416 deals 10 dmg less than the vikhr point blank and takes an extra 9/10 bullets to kill with a spray
Clearly not equal stats to the vikhr

[Stuart]

7 minutes ago, Berserkrpups said:

+/-Support

Personally I see nothing wrong with the Vikhr it has a balance spray pattern and decent damage and another thing you don't have on this test in armor you are just doing it with the raw health with no added armor it doesn't really have that fast of a fire rate as you 625RPM is nothing compared to other weapons. That 200 l 200 test you fired around 18 to 20 rounds and it was a controlled test with no added variables with movement and an actual combat scenario. In reality, it would probably take at least a mag and a half to take down someone assuming you don't have a decent aim. That and it is only used by one class I don't see a problem with it as I said above.

 

In comparison to say the HK416, which deals on average ~ 12000 DPM, the Vikhr deals ~15625 DPM. Which is quite the difference, for comparison the Vikhr kills ~3 682's per minute, whilst the HK416 kills ~2.4.

[[GL] Warge09]

+support wtf do you mean it doesn’t mean it’s overpowered, the weapons are clearly overpowered. IF YOU can destroy a E11 REDACTED it clearly is because  they have a lot of HP and armour from what I have heard of. CI have Aton of OP  classes and we can never stand a chance sometimes.

Edited November 16, 2019 by [W-G] Warge09

[Catsro]

3 minutes ago, Jakub said:

HK416:

-15 hp point blank and similair from a distance

30 bullet spray from a distance

so in conclusion the hk416 deals 10 dmg less than the vikhr point blank and takes an extra 9/10 bullets to kill with a spray
Clearly not equal stats to the vikhr

HK416 also has increased RPM in comparison: 750 from the HK and 625 from the Vikhr.

[ThiccMilk]

1 minute ago, Jimmy Savile said:

In comparison to say the HK416, which deals on average ~ 12000 DPM, the Vikhr deals ~15625 DPM. Which is quite the difference, for comparison the Vikhr kills ~3 682's per minute, whilst the HK416 kills ~2.4.

+SUPPORT

[Stuart]

15 minutes ago, Berserkrpups said:

+/-Support

Personally I see nothing wrong with the Vikhr it has a balance spray pattern and decent damage and another thing you don't have on this test in armor you are just doing it with the raw health with no added armor it doesn't really have that fast of a fire rate as you 625RPM is nothing compared to other weapons. That 200 l 200 test you fired around 18 to 20 rounds and it was a controlled test with no added variables with movement and an actual combat scenario. In reality, it would probably take at least a mag and a half to take down someone assuming you don't have a decent aim. That and it is only used by one class I don't see a problem with it as I said above.

 

Also, it is near impossible to test movement variables as for the outcome would be different each time, and would be affected by ping, the user's aim, and many other unconsidered factors. Therefore, the raw statistics allow for appropriate comparison as for all of the guns are placed on a level playing field.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Jimmy Savile

[TahtsK9]

4 minutes ago, [W-G] Warge09 said:

+support wtf do you mean it doesn’t mean it’s overpowered, the weapons are clearly overpowered. IF YOU can destroy a E11 REDACTED it clearly is because  they have a lot of HP and armour from what I have heard of. CI have Aton of OP  classes and we can never stand a chance sometimes.

 

[BadAim]

also -support 

Edited November 16, 2019 by BadAimSam

[Surge22]

+Support,
These weapons are stronger than every other average weapon on this server. 

[Hoovy]

-Support on the Vikhr because I've never had any run ins with it

[real lunar]

+support

these weapons are pretty op an a slight nerf would make them more balanced.

[Neo]

1 hour ago, Official Orange said:

-Support
I have had zero problem with either gun. There are plenty of weapons with equal stats in comparison with the Vikhr, such as the AK, AN-94, HK, L85, M4A1, and Tar-21. Guns that are similar to the Dual Barrettas  are the tech-9, five seven, deagle, and model 500. Just singling out these 2 guns with "high" stats does not mean they are overpowered, because quite frankly these weapon pretty average compared to others. 

 

[Fool]

+Support on the Dual's

-Support on the Vikhr

The Vikhr is not heavily used very often the Dual's do more damage than the Ar's which is the only problem

[starr]

2 hours ago, Official Orange said:

-Support
I have had zero problem with either gun. There are plenty of weapons with equal stats in comparison with the Vikhr, such as the AK, AN-94, HK, L85, M4A1, and Tar-21. Guns that are similar to the Dual Barrettas  are the tech-9, five seven, deagle, and model 500. Just singling out these 2 guns with "high" stats does not mean they are overpowered, because quite frankly these weapon pretty average compared to others. 

 

[Blackstone]

2 hours ago, Jimmy Savile said:

In comparison to say the HK416, which deals on average ~ 12000 DPM, the Vikhr deals ~15625 DPM. Which is quite the difference, for comparison the Vikhr kills ~3 682's per minute, whilst the HK416 kills ~2.4.

huge +support

It's hard to determine this due to spray, but in a sense, maybe the HK just needs a buff.

[Orange 🍊]

Almost is targeting by saying that.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Official Orange

[killermankey]

2 hours ago, Fool said:

+Support on the Dual's

-Support on the Vikhr

The Vikhr is not heavily used very often the Dual's do more damage than the Ar's which is the only problem

the vikhr only works too because of its dmg its shit other wise

+ why are you randomly suggesting nerfs without them being a real problem?

adding on to what orange just posted it literally shows you have bias on the server maybe in disrespect towards CI Recon force users as your trying to actively targeting to make them worse if not useless

Edited November 16, 2019 by killermankey

[MysticDN]

+/-Support

Too many time that I've gone to D-Block to assist GenSec to only to get shredded by the D-Class CC with the Duels
 
I haven't seen alot of people use the vikhr and it isn't really an issue yet

Edited November 16, 2019 by MysticDN

[Stuart]

For those saying that the Vikhr shouldn't be nerfed because they haven't had any run ins with it is because it hasn't yet been used. Simply put, the Vikhr is the most overpowered AR that the server has to offer hands down, and this post is forewarning us before it gets used more.