Update for Upper D Block - Accepted

[Two_Six]

A form of this Update has been accepted, with most of the benefits listed, so I retract my statement for the following Update below.

 

What you want to see? - 
I would like to see the rules for Upper D Block to be changed drastically. At the current moment, Security has to hold Upper D Block behind a fence with stationary barricades and just slaughter Class D at almost every moment of the day. Very few branches are allowed into D Block mainly because the way Upper D Block is designed. Researchers and Utility may come in at limited times, but usually cause distractions and allow Class D to escape. Security are stuck in D Block shooting Class D all the time, causing many people to leave for the fact that it is not a entertaining job. So currently there is no real RP that can happen because it is in a constant state of gunfire because Class D have access to the majority of the largest room on the map with very limited rules. My suggestion is this, restrict access of Class D to Upper D Block and remove a majority of the fortifications in Upper. 

Why should we add it? - 
This suggestion should be added for a variety of reasons. Class D personnel have access to a large room as is and having them be so close to breaching at all times is not lore friendly—versus being locked in cells unless for testing. It is not realistic to have people join the server and just sit in the cells but free roam access is not any better. Lower D Block should be for Class D and Upper should be for Foundation Personnel. Forcing Class D to be in lower, unless for testing, would allow Security to leave D Block more often, instead of sitting in a room for a branch. Having Class D's access restricted would allow Security to have more RP because Security would now be able to go on patrol, escort Foundation personnel more frequently, and be stationed in areas across LCZ/HCZ instead of D Block. This restriction of D Block would also benefit Researchers for the fact that they would be able to enter D Block more frequently, test on Class D more often, and increase the RP between all of the branches involved in D Block. Security would now have to guard Researchers more effectively if they needed Class D, they could get more escorts for tests, as well as just Class D getting more RP from said testing. Utility would also benefit from this because they would now have access to a much larger room in LCZ granting more access to RP, involvement in testing, and interaction with Security in D Block.
 

What are the advantages of having this? -
More RP for virtually all branches in LCZ as well as D Class. Upper D Block would essentially become an extension of LCZ rather than D Block. Basically, Security would be able to leave D Block more often as well as Utility and Researchers to enter. Right now, finding active and dedicated Security members is difficult mainly because we can only sit in a room, be insulted, then be forced to wait in another room for 3 minutes quite frequently. If this suggestion was accepted, Security would then have the ability to leave D Block and have more RP, originally designed into the branch. Class D would be slightly restricted but this would then encourage them to work with the Foundation to be used in RP besides going FPS all of the time with Security and MTF. In brief, many branches would have a RP boost for how they would now have to interact with Security and D Class.
 

Who is it mainly for? -
Security, though this would benefit other branches like Research and Utility.
 

Links to any content - 
None.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Two_Six

[Susel]

+support

We need something like this since d-block is a TDM between no NLR rushing dclass with 150 dmg weapons and gensec who always need to call MTF to stay alive for 5 seconds. This would be really useful and would make d-block seem more real cause I dont think the foundation would allow dclass be so close to escape all the time. 

[BadAim]

8 hours ago, Two_Six said:

Class D personnel have access to a large room as is and having them be so close to breaching at all times is not lore friendly

Its not lore friendly either that certain class D have sledgehammers and revolvers, and that certain security have fully automatic sniper rifles and light machine guns, but SMT is fine with it

8 hours ago, Two_Six said:

Security would now be able to go on patrol

Ive never been on a patrol that as accomplished something, its just a chance to let security oooh and aaah at all the things they usually dont get to see

8 hours ago, Two_Six said:

At the current moment, Security has to hold Upper D Block behind a fence with stationary barricades and just slaughter Class D at almost every moment of the day

This has been their job since march, and back then they didnt even have a fence and had worse guns.
 

If this suggestion was to add another layer to the fence or to buff armor and HP on enlisted id be fine with it, but as it stands -support

[Illager, Director of Memes]

+Support, Gensec are supposed to be holding down GENERAL security, not shooting people for minor infractions.

[Rookieblue]

This is an interesting suggestion, I think I could be in favor of this. GENSEC would need to maintain a presence in lower D-Block to maintain order and prevent unauthorized people from using the elevator because they would have a more defensible position, they could also engage in more RP with other branches, and it could put an end to the constant TDM in D-Block.

[Catsro]

On 10/27/2019 at 2:11 AM, SuselMaks said:

+support

We need something like this since d-block is a TDM between no NLR rushing dclass with 150 dmg weapons and gensec who always need to call MTF to stay alive for 5 seconds. This would be really useful and would make d-block seem more real cause I dont think the foundation would allow dclass be so close to escape all the time. 

 

[[GL] Zeus]

12 hours ago, Rookieblue said:

This is an interesting suggestion, I think I could be in favor of this. GENSEC would need to maintain a presence in lower D-Block to maintain order and prevent unauthorized people from using the elevator because they would have a more defensible position, they could also engage in more RP with other branches, and it could put an end to the constant TDM in D-Block.

This also prevents Gensec from constantly dying due to d class who don’t have NLR. 

[Orange 🍊]

-Support 

Will probably hurt the d class population, stopping server growth. 

Like upgrading weapon damage, people said it would hurt d class numbers.

[Psycho]

On 10/27/2019 at 1:11 AM, SuselMaks said:

+support

We need something like this since d-block is a TDM between no NLR rushing dclass with 150 dmg weapons and gensec who always need to call MTF to stay alive for 5 seconds. This would be really useful and would make d-block seem more real cause I dont think the foundation would allow dclass be so close to escape all the time. 

 

[Seeker (Tavdogg1)]

16 hours ago, Rookieblue said:

This is an interesting suggestion, I think I could be in favor of this. GENSEC would need to maintain a presence in lower D-Block to maintain order and prevent unauthorized people from using the elevator because they would have a more defensible position, they could also engage in more RP with other branches, and it could put an end to the constant TDM in D-Block.

Yes. We need more RP and less TDMs all of the time. I would love to explore as Gensec more and give people more positions to be in, and allow them to interact with other people around the foundation, as well as allow Research to do testing, instead of stay in the bunks due to D Class wondering about.

+Support from me all of the way.

[Seeker (Tavdogg1)]

3 hours ago, ASimplePlayer said:

Yes. We need more RP and less TDMs all of the time. I would love to explore as Gensec more and give people more positions to be in, and allow them to interact with other people around the foundation, as well as allow Research to do testing, instead of stay in the bunks due to D Class wondering about.

+Support from me all of the way.

Not only that, but due to Resnovs, guns, and over powered melee weapons, D Block is almost impossible to handle at times. This update will allow for an actual chance for Gensec to thrive.

[killermankey]

5 hours ago, Official Orange said:

-Support 

Will probably hurt the d class population, stopping server growth. 

Like upgrading weapon damage, people said it would hurt d class numbers.

The Problem with restricting this is THERE IS NO WAY FOR D CLASS TO GET UP. people wont find it fun to play d class at all. with no escapes Ci is fucked cause you know... no escapes. 

 

[BadAim]

1 hour ago, ASimplePlayer said:

Not only that, but due to Resnovs, guns, and over powered melee weapons, D Block is almost impossible to handle at times. This update will allow for an actual chance for Gensec to thrive.

5 players, 3 of which rarely play, and a melee weapon with good hit reg =/= permanent partial lockdown 

[Rookieblue]

3 hours ago, killermankey said:

The Problem with restricting this is THERE IS NO WAY FOR D CLASS TO GET UP. people wont find it fun to play d class at all. with no escapes Ci is fucked cause you know... no escapes. 

 

Not necessarily. If GENSEC is required to keep a presence in lower D-Block, if the D-Class decide to rush and kill those guards, they have a better chance of potentially getting up and out while those GENSEC players are waiting NLR over all of GENSEC standing on top of the elevator and shooting down.

[Sogieeeeeee]

9 hours ago, Official Orange said:

-Support 

Will probably hurt the d class population, stopping server growth. 

Like upgrading weapon damage, people said it would hurt d class numbers.

 

[Hugo Stiglitz - USMC]

On 10/27/2019 at 8:48 AM, BadAimSam said:

Its not lore friendly either that certain class D have sledgehammers and revolvers, and that certain security have fully automatic sniper rifles and light machine guns, but SMT is fine with it

Ive never been on a patrol that as accomplished something, its just a chance to let security oooh and aaah at all the things they usually dont get to see

This has been their job since march, and back then they didnt even have a fence and had worse guns.
 

If this suggestion was to add another layer to the fence or to buff armor and HP on enlisted id be fine with it, but as it stands -support

Alright first things first, Fully Automatic sniper rifles do not exist in Security, Heavy's do have Light Machine Guns in the form of the M249 S.A.W., but I have yet to see a fully automatic sniper rifle, (what is your source on this?). Regardless even with the implementation of this powerful Squad Automatic Weapon, I have seen Heavy's and Vanilla Security alike taken down by trains of D Units with melee weapons.

Next thing about patrols, I have no idea what you personally think that patrols do, but the purpose of an armed patrol is as follows according to the Miriam-Webster Dictionary: 

PATROL noun

1a : the action of traversing a district or beat or of going the rounds along a chain of guards for observation or the maintenance of security

b : the person performing such an action

c : a unit of persons or vehicles employed for reconnaissance, security, or combat

If your impression of Security is Oohing and aahing, then I would love to know who trained Security to do patrols like that in the first place. In my personal dictionary of the Marine Corps, Patrols are used for allied forces to stay vigilant in enemy environments, establish a known presence among possible hostiles, and reconnaissance, (or to find some trouble that's being cooked up). Having GENSEC conduct patrols the right way would establish a more firm and vigilant security force, and would increase awareness of security units itself.

And in rebuttal to the last statements you made, It slightly infuriates me, however for the sake of clarity I will remain constructive with necessary criticism , that people would rather subdue change and continue with the conformity that they are used to. Sir I understand you may like to join the server every day and see the same environment you have when you became used to it, I understand adapt and change may not be one of your fortes', and I understand that you would rather that security stay at their posts and continue the tug of war Stalingrad-Slaughter. However I implore you, to instead look at the slowly degrading number of people subject to the same day-in, day-out routine, that you have become so used to yourself. If we do not at least entertain the idea of change that may not only expand peoples perception of this server, but may impact the way even you yourself were to view it, then how long will this routine continue? weeks? months? 

I, Security Captain Hugo Stiglitz, support this appeal.

 

 

"GOD SPEED YOU MAGNIFICANT BASTARD"

Edited October 30, 2019 by Hugo Stiglitz - USMC

[Gunther]

I completely support this. I've been with Security since I started playing on this server and I get bored as hell doing the same thing everyday. I sometimes hop on RCF just so I can get away from D-Block. 

15 hours ago, Official Orange said:

-Support 

Will probably hurt the d class population, stopping server growth. 

Like upgrading weapon damage, people said it would hurt d class numbers.

Its the D-Class population that's the hurting the rest of the server. A few months ago, they nearly killed Research due to the riots. And not really, if we can get more stuff in Lower D-Block then it wouldn't be so bad, not to mention everyone always starts as D-Class, but then again 1/3 of the server shouldn't be D-Class. 

And with the barricades and fence removed, we can finally add props to increase RP, like when I first started we had a checkout desk type thing near the door. Things like that.

[BadAim]

@Hugo Stiglitz - USMC oh boy...
“Alright first things first, Fully Automatic sniper rifles do not exist in Security, Heavy's do have Light Machine Guns in the form of the M249 S.A.W., but I have yet to see a fully automatic sniper rifle, (what is your source on this?). Regardless even with the implementation of this powerful Squad Automatic Weapon, I have seen Heavy's and Vanilla Security alike taken down by trains of D Units with melee weapons.”

you missed the entire point here, the point was to compare custom jobs and what each side has available

“Next thing about patrols, I have no idea what you personally think that patrols do, but the purpose of an armed patrol is as follows according to the Miriam-Webster Dictionary: ”

Alright this isnt the marines my guy, im not trying to disrespect your service at all but it isnt. Im going off the definition of patrol that has been what gensec has done since the start of the year. In fact, ive been on plenty before RCF was a thing.  On every single one I went on I never found a single thing except maybe 173s door being open and him on surface or somewhere in EZ. This is because MTF have a hold on things in HCZ, and there is not much going on in LCZ that isnt a result of gensec not being in D block.

“Patrols are used for allied forces to stay vigilant in enemy environments, establish a known presence among possible hostiles, and reconnaissance, (or to find some trouble that's being cooked up). Having GENSEC conduct patrols the right way would establish a more firm and vigilant security force, and would increase awareness of security units itself.”

If you want a more firm level of security in LCZ set up a checkpoint outside of medbay as this is the entrance and exit of LCZ.

“And in rebuttal to the last statements you made, It slightly infuriates me, however for the sake of clarity I will remain constructive with necessary criticism , that people would rather subdue change and continue with the conformity that they are used to.”

The TL;DR i got 

“Sir I understand you may like to join the server every day and see the same environment you have when you became used to it, Sir I understand adapt and change may not be one of your fortes', and Sir I understand that you would rather that security stay at their posts and continue the tug of war Stalingrad-Slaughter. However I implore you, to instead look at the slowly degrading number of people subject to the same day-in, day-out routine, that you have become so used to yourself. If we do not at least entertain the idea of change that may not only expand peoples perception of this server, but may impact the way even you yourself were to view it, then how long will this routine continue? months? years?”

Well I mean when you are pushing for a P2W (since my -support really isnt about me since I have reznov so itll affect me the least) environment Im sure that others see nothing wrong with my opposition.

Also throwing a “Haha” reaction at my -support wasnt too kind of you

 

[_Alpha_]

+1

Not gonna lie I think its also effecting GENSECs numbers now more then ever with these constant riots, especially recently. We barely manage to reach 10 and always have to rely on MTF support.

I think its time GENSEC should be real GENSEC and actually be on sentry duty on hallways or patrol the facility while still holding D-Class.

[Killaz]

10 hours ago, _Alpha_ said:

+1

Not gonna lie I think its also effecting GENSECs numbers now more then ever with these constant riots, especially recently. We barely manage to reach 10 and always have to rely on MTF support.

I think its time GENSEC should be real GENSEC and actually be on sentry duty on hallways or patrol the facility while still holding D-Class.

[Calamity]

On 10/27/2019 at 9:43 PM, Rookieblue said:

This is an interesting suggestion, I think I could be in favor of this. GENSEC would need to maintain a presence in lower D-Block to maintain order and prevent unauthorized people from using the elevator because they would have a more defensible position, they could also engage in more RP with other branches, and it could put an end to the constant TDM in D-Block.

 

[WantedIdeas]

It already happened but RIP the sniper pipe.

[a frog]

+support because more gensec would get mad

[Arussso]

On 10/27/2019 at 2:11 AM, SuselMaks said:

+support

We need something like this since d-block is a TDM between no NLR rushing dclass with 150 dmg weapons and gensec who always need to call MTF to stay alive for 5 seconds. This would be really useful and would make d-block seem more real cause I dont think the foundation would allow dclass be so close to escape all the time. 

 

[Rabbit]

is to fixated on keeping D-Class in D-Block and need to approach the problem with a different mine set.

Mabey gen sec should start going on patrols start station guards around LC, build a Defense in Depth

Also, the elevator could be used as a sort of NLR for D-class by slowing it down a bit

I just think we should try other things before we Neff D-class into the ground