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Your In-game: MTF Nu7 PVT Borith PT1

Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:155591672
 
The admin's name in-game: MTF NU7 SGT Knuckles ST01
 
The admin's steam name (If you know it): [GL] Knuckles
 
What warning did you receive: RDM
 
Evidence of the warn (REQUIRED): Top one is the warn given18254D6A83C9D4F5949AA819F88F13BF754B224D (1280Ã1024)
 
Why do you think this warn was false: Alright so lets start from the first ticket on me. So I am MTF so my job is to patrol HCZ and terminate any utility staff who refuse to return back to LCZ. So I start to terminate a medical staff and he calls a ticket so I don't kill him and let the admin come. Knuckles was the one who responded to the ticket and said I was suppose to blindfold him and bring him back even though I have been told to terminate them. So that ticket ends so I continue on my patrol, I see three security officer chasing after a researcher so I ask them what they are doing then they say that's Researcher Walrus who was suppose to be terminated. So I go and follow them and then we almost kill Walrus before he jumps into 682's acid. So we start to leave once we hear the scream of 682 eating him, then out of no where I see knuckles hovering around me. I ignore him since I don't know what he wants and start to head back to escort the Security back to LCZ and continue my patrol until he grabs me and then bring back up the case that had ended already. So he starts to talk about oh how my story is changing and stuff like that. At that point I just want to return to my roleplay and not be annoying by him anymore. So I tell him if he is not going to warn me to leave me alone since he was probably spectating me watching me to see if I RDM. He hesitates for a second then grabs me shoves me in a corner, freezes me and tell me I'm getting warned for RDM. Which just to point out I did not kill anyone the whole 15 minutes I was online.
Any extra information: At no point did I RDM the medic I shot him once then he called a admin RDM never happened.
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I'm going to start off on the first point. Between the two sits I had involved you in your story changed a couple of times. The first time you told me you had been ordered to terminate all "unauthorized" personnel in HCZ, which is why you attempted to eliminate the utility staff. The only reason I pulled you aside in 682's chamber is because you were with multiple low level GENSEC and I confronted you about why you hadn't terminated them as they would also be considered "unauthorized." You stated to me that you terminated the medic because he only had "Level 1" clearance when it should be plainly obvious that the GENSEC SOs and CPLs only have Level 1 clearance as well. When I mentioned this you changed your story from being told to eliminate "all unauthorized personnel" to "given orders to terminate any utility staff." Because of this I could no longer trust your word as you were changing details. Did you RDM by killing the medic when you should have simply detained him (like you should have according to your higher up) or were you simply getting details mixed up ? The next point you brought up was the medic only had "Level 1" clearance so I had to ask why hadn't you terminated the Level 1 GENSEC as well. 

 

Side Note: You shouldn't ever be terminating Foundation staff unless they are explicitly seen/called out to be breaching SCPs or being traitorous to the Foundation. If a medic happens to be wandering HCZ you are to cuff him and take him back

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2 minutes ago, Knuckles said:

 The next point you brought up was the medic only had "Level 1" clearance so I had to ask why hadn't you terminated the Level 1 GENSEC as well. 

ok i have many a problem with this (yes i must word things like this :D) 

 

im pretty sure SO's are clearance level 2 as they are in lore aware of what they are protecting/keeping contained.

we send patrols down there with SO's a lot however they must be accompanied by a SGT+

is this warn meant to be lying to staff or RDM  

you warned him for a change in story? 

but you confront him about not committing mass RDM by my understanding of your side?

 

 

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1 minute ago, Rangiatea said:

ok i have many a problem with this (yes i must word things like this :D) 

 

im pretty sure SO's are clearance level 2 as they are in lore aware of what they are protecting/keeping contained.

we send patrols down there with SO's a lot however they must be accompanied by a SGT+

is this warn meant to be lying to staff or RDM  

you warned him for a change in story? 

but also for not committing mass RDM by my understanding of your side?

if i understand this correctly +support if not im going to need this clarified 

 

 

 

Going to properly clarify the mess of what I wrote previously:

- He was warned for eliminating a medic in HCZ when he is supposed to detain and escort back to LCZ

- Multiple MTF members (his branch at time of warning) agreed with the warn

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Your higher ups (such as MTF/NTF) should not give you the order to KOS any utility staff in HCZ or should you. You also need a really good RP reason to terminate all utility staff in HCZ, especially KOSing a medic who could of been called down in HCZ for request of healing services. (EX of a good RP reason: utility staff seen committing mass genocide/gone rouge | orders from 05 for unknown reasons). You should be AOSing/cuffing unauthorized utility staff in HCZ or calling a staff member about it since it is FailRP for them to be there unless they have good roleplay exuse to be in HCZ. like I already said, just because their your higher ups doesn't mean they can commit Mass RDM and neither should you, just because utility staff are unauthorized doesn't automatically make them KOS.

Also make sure to give the utility staff a chance to speak. They could of been requested or ordered from a administrators/higher ups to enter HCZ or EZ, this is another reason why you should cuff them.

 

PS: This might be updated or deleted overtime if necessary. so far i give this -support.

 

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- support warn seems justified 

but something about this entire situation just doesn't fit in my head, anyone else getting that? 

or am i just being special? XD 

"A good soldier obeys without question. A good officer commands without doubt."

 

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Borith, were you given orders from an individual to eliminate unauthorized staff within the HCZ, or were you under the impression that as a MTF personnel that was part of your duties?

I'll give my support once I hear an answer to that question.

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38 minutes ago, Rookieblue said:

Borith, were you given orders from an individual to eliminate unauthorized staff within the HCZ, or were you under the impression that as a MTF personnel that was part of your duties?

Nobody that I know in Nu7 has ever given orders to kill foundation staff in HCZ 

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1 hour ago, Rookieblue said:

Borith, were you given orders from an individual to eliminate unauthorized staff within the HCZ, or were you under the impression that as a MTF personnel that was part of your duties?

I'll give my support once I hear an answer to that question.

I have always been told that if they refuse to leave HCZ and walk away to terminate him which is what the medic did so I shot him once before he called a admin so I stopped.

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gotta say, as a Superadmin that's a lot of warns

2 hours ago, borith said:

I have always been told that if they refuse to leave HCZ and walk away to terminate him which is what the medic did so I shot him once before he called a admin so I stopped.

That is true

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17 hours ago, Rookieblue said:

Borith, were you given orders from an individual to eliminate unauthorized staff within the HCZ, or were you under the impression that as a MTF personnel that was part of your duties?

I'll give my support once I hear an answer to that question.

If utility staff are resisting to comply with orders to leave HCZ then you should contact a staff member about that since it would fail RP for them not to comply if it is not a heavily RP situation.

16 hours ago, borith said:

I have always been told that if they refuse to leave HCZ and walk away to terminate him which is what the medic did so I shot him once before he called a admin so I stopped.

Let me know who is giving you these orders, I would like to speak with them.

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17 hours ago, Jet TZ said:

+Support if they refused to leave they are to be terminated

 

-NTF CPT Jet

Half of the time I'm come in contact with people like this, they're just mingies trying to let d class out, in reality yes it is RDM, but how else is he supposed to get the guy back to LCZ if hes refusing, I mean its pretty hard to cuff a running or refusing target. Either way I know borith had no intent of minging or doing something wrong, he was just doing what he thought was right, I've known borith for quite sometime, and I think this all was really a misunderstanding.

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*Gets warned for RDM despite not actually rdming someone*

I think the warn is false. However this is something that needs to be clarified by SMT so there is no confusion wether it’s within RP to terminate foundation personnel who refuse orders while in an area they aren’t in RP supposed to be. 

Also RP documents should not overrule the MOTD rule that you should not be harming other foundation staff.

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7 hours ago, th3 said:

*Gets warned for RDM despite not actually rdming someone*

I think the warn is false. However this is something that needs to be clarified by SMT so there is no confusion wether it’s within RP to terminate foundation personnel who refuse orders while in an area they aren’t in RP supposed to be. 

Also RP documents should not overrule the MOTD rule that you should not be harming other foundation staff.

*ARDM/FailRP* is the proper warning (My mistake) I am sticking to the fact that it would be warranted since he did attempt to terminate another foundation member until said member called an admin. The rule regarding foundation killing foundation states "No foundation staff should shoot, hurt, or otherwise threaten other foundation staff. This would be considered FailRP." MoTD > SOP

However I agree. This is a chance to add in a specific rule regarding staff who "learn" more than they should or learn something that would constitute immediate termination in lore

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Accepted!

Main issue I have is that MTF were mostly trained to kos any Foundation Utility Staff who are in the incorrect Zones. This obviously goes against the MOTD and has since been fixed so more attempts at RP are included instead of straight killing Foundation personnel on site. 

After saying this, I do want to clarify that you are not allowed to kill Foundation Staff in accordance with the MOTD.

No foundation staff should shoot, hurt, or otherwise threaten other foundation staff. This would be considered FailRP.

To have your warn removed, go to the "Bans" Section at the top of the forums, navigate to your profile, find the warning for this appeal, and for the reason on the appeal, link this post.

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