Meridian

its not a dclass thing, trynna get Sinnik yo put SOP here it'll make more sense after

RCF replacement cause it died and this gives something to work towards in security

RCF died hard

woah

Yeah this little feud we have going on is just ridiculous, theirs no reason for it and seemingly no end to it, I don't know what caused this whether one of us has done something wrong or it's simply just us being on opposing sides causing it but hopefully addressing the issue can help to fix it.

Name: Crest Rank: Member Time of LOA(MM/DD/YYYY): 07/21/2020-07/28/2020 Reason(Put Private if you do not wish to say): burnt out of Gmod

Name: Meridian Rank: 1Lt Date: 7/21/20 Duration of LOA: Week Reason: Burnt out and uhhh other reasons, might still get on don't know yet.

i'll be there

UK time???

+Support

and it does, the ithica really is not that viable, you dont hit all your shots and you're dead, and they have low armor so they squishy as hell and ur takin the piss if you think an MTF Medic having a shotgun will lead to utility getting AWPs

-Support I really don't think shotguns are that overpowered yes they do good damage but they also don't have great range and have like 8 shots max with pretty slow fire rate

CCs

Rookie I think it seems pretty clear everything he said and did was a joke, people say that Gensec commit war crimes nearly everyday and i'm sure this was a joke made in the same respect as it is made towards us, i'm not from USA and don't usually pay it's inner goings much attention so i'm not sure about why people are accusing the police over there of committing war crimes but i believe this was just a poorly timed joke taken out of context, the player diss thing, Peggu is a drink in the vending machine IDK what the Cripple one was but it seems like something the machine would make you say after all semen is an option on there so whoever sets it up clearly jokes around a bit, I was on the server when the ban was issued and assumed there was more to it then what was stated in the ban so didn't pay it much attention, however, I hadn't seen him causing any issues in chat and I hadn't seen any sits caused by or about him, +Support from me Also Rookie isn't new to the server but i'm not sure how he didn't know about the drinks, and i'd try to be a bit more calm when responding although I do understand that this is probably quite frustratinh.

mhmm but RCF, and EZ is only SCMD so they shouldn't be there anyway, most of the time.

sounds pretty fun, may nit be used a whole lot but i don't see any downsides that couldn't be pretty easily handled

-Support, Don't want RIGs to start gunning 076 down because he fuckin looks at a researcher.

+Support i can 1v1 EXP's as of now they need a buff some of them at least

-OH7

+Support, as long as it's just a cc NLR nerf, if you take away something that normal security can do, and CC owners payed for that'd be ridiculous (talking bout RCF ability), and if ou ever see a security CC in EZ and it isnt a major, or a sm with a major tell Security command ASAP.

Yeah, you make a fair point and tbf the browning auto ain't a bad shotgun so maybe it's something we should've considered? but I think the auto part of it just made us skip over it at the time, I still don't think we are more pwerful then any MTF branches seen as most of em have better weapons and stats then us but I can see your point with the Ithica. Honestly hate the whole "starter branch" sentiment, yes we are most of the time the first branch combat orientated people can join, however, why does that mean we don't get to have fun? I love security and rn it's my favorite branch, now without a CC in security you're at a massive disadvantage because nearly any one person from any combat branch can easily take you out in a one on one even if you're a higher up class or rank, even Dclass can take us out sometimes, ESPECIALLY the lower enlisted, which isn't a fun way to spend your time. You have to take into account that there are people who main this branch and there are people that put alot of time into it, those people shouldn't get the shit end of the stick because "it's a starter branch" This juggernaut class is also going to be an application thing now, so in comparison it'll have the same idea as the R.I.G units, also from a starter branch, a non combatant starter branch, that's seemingly stronger then any of our classes up to like heavy or juggernaut so this will give something for people to strive for and have pride in acquiring. As for the guns, yes they're quite powerful, but keep in mind this is a level 55 requirement job that you have to apply for, its not like an explosive class, which is arguably easier to get and more powerful, you'll have to apply on the forums to actually get this job so it won't be a commonly available job, IF it turns out it is too powerful I'm sure HCMD would be more then happy to figure a way to balance it again,. You'd be surprised, a lot of the times when we hold off meetings or even sometimes our main meetings, MTF quickly ask for our backup, I assume it's because they just aren't used to D-Block but I don't know, even very recently we had someone transfer from an MTF branch to security and they were surprised by the difference too. Trust me, Gensec will still be weaker then these branches, we have worse guns, stats and to even get the better guns we have you'll need to work your way up in security past where you can join any of the MTF branches. Only yesterday we had mass riots as Dclass late at night, Security still had a good 8 people on not including CCs, and Dclass still had control of LCZ and Dblock for a good hour or so, even with MTF support. I'm not sure why you mentioned this, yes, we do, however it isn't too commonly used, mostly because when they're most needed they aren't available due to LCZ shenanigans (682 in LCZ or something) or defcon level, this makkes it so we have to survive constant combat, sometimes from both sides with the powerhouse being CI on one side, and the seemingly infinite Dclass with either no or insanely short NLR on the other.

idk what SF it's on but it's also on Omi-9 genetic specialist and maybe i'm just bad but I really don't think its any more powerful then most other shotguns excepting it's range. I completely understand this in all honestly, it's pretty over the top for D-Class, that being said, you also need to be a SFC to get this job and as said earlier if you miss a shot and someone gets too close your chances of survival drop drastically which I think balances it off a bit. I don't really agree with this, the E-11 CE which you can get at PFC gets access to the PKM, the ranger gets one of the m4's or m1a4's or something i cant remember of the top of my head along wit Remington, the the enlisted gets the tar-21. that's as far as i know as a CPL but yeah they have much better classes for us, at least at those ranks. Yeah this is a fair review, the M82 although it is very powerful still takes I think 2 body shots to down a base dclass? and 3 or 4 body shots for a 100 100 I can't remember exactly but we tested it out for this weapons update, the Ithica i don't really think is that powerful anymore and i'm not too sure what you could replace it with that wouldn't also be considered very powerful as most shotguns are, and the E-11 having worse guns then us I personally don't agree with, at least on jobs you can get at CPL, and if this is the case I think that shows that E-11 kinda needs a branch update too as both Nu7 and Omi-9 have far better load outs then security.

+Support, I don't have it but after maining security I can say I genuinely don't think I've ever died to this gun it clearly needs a buff in damage

hehe negev go brrrrrrrrrr, he makes a good point security did just get 5 active CCs which will make them stronger but CCs are CCs so they always gonna be powerhouses, but personally i think the falcon used to be ridiculous it was able to beat out most security classes in one on one combat and where it is now seems more fair to me.

+Support for changing to level 2, Heavies are the last pick for escorts usually and even if they are needed for MTF or escorts then said MTF or researcher could always open the gates for them right? it would stop so much confusion for lower level players too, the amount of Heavy OFC's I find in HCZ thinking that because they have a level 3 card means they can be there is surprising. Although I can see the donation part of the job needing it to be a little bit special so I imagine that does need to be taken into account.